Hello, to whoever reads this!
I have a dream, that I've had for a long, long time, to live on one of the Gulf Islands, especially, Salt Spring Island. I feel I would fit in there quite well, as I'm artistic in temperment, and love the natural world. But my question to you is this: how does one make a living on an island? I'm sure jobs are scarce, and my art is surely not up to par, for anyone to buy it!
So how do people get by, there? What I'm looking for financially, is enough for food, and a roof over my head. (And the chance to work my art, and be with like-minded people.)
So, if anyone who is living on a Gulf Island would like to answer my post, suggestions, or tips on how to make a living there, I would much appreciate it!
I have a dream, that I've had for a long, long time, to live on one of the Gulf Islands, especially, Salt Spring Island. I feel I would fit in there quite well, as I'm artistic in temperment, and love the natural world. But my question to you is this: how does one make a living on an island? I'm sure jobs are scarce, and my art is surely not up to par, for anyone to buy it!
So how do people get by, there? What I'm looking for financially, is enough for food, and a roof over my head. (And the chance to work my art, and be with like-minded people.)
So, if anyone who is living on a Gulf Island would like to answer my post, suggestions, or tips on how to make a living there, I would much appreciate it!
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Sun, February 8, 2004 - 6:16 PMMost people are retired or growing pot. There is work on Saltspring and Pender, but not a lot, and work is very hard to come by on the other islands. -
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Sat, February 14, 2004 - 11:25 AMHi Erroneous,
Thanks for replying to my query. I'm too young to retire,and not
interested in growing pot. I had an ex who was big-time addicted to the stuff, so it has bad memories for me.
Thanks, anyway.
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Gulf Island life, it's limits and promises
Mon, February 9, 2004 - 10:50 AMDear Crystal,
Your dream is attainable, and I will
try to explain how I think you should do it.
1) Living on these islands is cheap
if you take the effort to find the right ways.
My rent is $300, for an independant
40 sq. meter (400 sq. foot) basement suite,
with a lovely view. I rent this from an
okay landlord (all island people are okay).
Another interesting idea is to rent a
complete house for $600-900, and find
friends who would like to live with you.
Please ask us (Kelsey & me) for a peek too.
2) I assume your budget is at least :
- $510, this is what any citizen is
guaranteed: our welfare ($185 + max. $325 rent).
In addition, you may earn $200 or so.
There is a limit to the time you
can be on this welfare. However, if you really
are stuck and poor, this government will
not just leave you homeless and hungry.
- If you have a disability, your income
from the government would be (after lots
of bureaucracy) a small $1000 per month.
From any income you get on top of this,
you may keep $400.
- Between the above two options is a halfway
stage, but hopping upwards can be done
although it will take months.
(I do not promote living of the government's
money, but do encourage accepting welfare
when you need it).
3) There are so many tricks to live and spend
only little. For inspiration, browse through
Henry David Thoreau's book 'Walden', and also
works by Harlan Hubbard (I have not read Hubbard yet).
If the time will come, I'd be happy to help
you apply cost saving methods.
4) There are always jobs available on these
islands (I live on Pender). Pet-sitting, cleaning,
bartending, et cetera.
Your advantage on the Gulf Islands is that
they are small worlds. If you approach people
informally you will be most succesful in getting
some paid labour.
5) I come from an artist family, and have been
around artists all my life. Here's an important
thing: you are not going to make any money.
Being an artist equals poverty. Selling work
is possible, but just not be meganomalic about it.
Crystal, I think you'll do fine as long as
you stay away from cellphones, lease vehicles,
mortages and sigarettes. Unless you feel part
of urban rat-races and modern life-styles, your
life will be easier and more pleasant on one of
these islands. Please give not just Salt Spring
a chance. Let me know if you want to see Pender.
Tristan
(250) 629-3086 [temp. disconnected]
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Re: Gulf Island life, it's limits and promises
Sat, February 14, 2004 - 11:42 AMHi Tristan,
Thanks for replying to my post! I'm overwhelmed with your carefully written response, and it's given me a lot to think
about.
I don't want to be on welfare, not if I can help it, I've worked all my life, don't really want to start now.(If I can help it.) I have about 15 years before I can retire from my rat-race corporate job. Best thing I can say about it, is it brings financial security, but little else to feed my soul. I definitely don't feel part of the urban lifestyle-never have, more like a fish out of water! I've read "Walden Pond" and love it, am inspired by it, but don't quite know how to put it to practical use.
I don't really expect to sell any of my work, I'm kind of a
fledgling at this point, getting back to doing something I love, in adulthood. They don't call them "starving artists" for
nothing! :)
I'm actually kind of planning on visiting the Gulf Islands, this summer. You say Pender is nice? I want to visit Salt Spring, and a few others, like Galiano, Gabriela, etc.
My plans aren't firm yet. If I decide to come to Pender, maybe
you'll show me the ropes?
Thank you for your offer, and your response.
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Re: Gulf Island life, it's limits and promises
Mon, April 24, 2006 - 5:22 AMjust to alert but not dipute........ the figures you gave for rent, tristan are not transferable to ssi. you're damn lucky if you can get a house for under $1000. and if you get a house, you may be kicked out in may so they can rent it out to tourists by the week. it's technically illegal but people do it all over the place. that's why i moved away. didn't want to spend another summer in a van. single people with out pets have it easier though.
summer =work -home
winter=home-work
if you can compute that math, you'll do fine.
pender's (and the other little ones) a better idea in the housing respect. Ssi's a lot better in the work respect.
ps buy a houseboat!!!
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Thu, February 12, 2004 - 2:26 PMHi Crystal,
I moved to Salt Spring Island 3 years ago, and enjoy living here! As the island's main industry is tourism, there is lots of jobs here from May to October, though pay rates are not the greatest, running @$8 to 12/hr. Most less skilled islanders have 2 or more part time jobs, while there are numerous opportunities for people with entreprenenurial skills.
Accomodations can be difficult to find, but one can always find a room in a house for $350 to $400 per month.
I don't know where you are currently living or what work skills, experience you have, but the logical thing is to visit SSI for a few weeks and see what you can find.
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Sat, February 14, 2004 - 11:55 AMHi Alex,
Thanks for replying!
I currently live in Toronto(the Big Smoke), and I've got computer skills, and the ability to survive in the treacherous, shark-infested waters of a large corporation. (Which is why I want to leave!)
I don't know if I would be happy working in the tourism industry, I'm on the shy side, but perhaps there is a niche I could carve out for myself. I saw a TV program with someone from Salt Spring Island working for Home Hardware,(I think),but I imagine such jobs are scarce. Any little job, where one has food & shelter would do, and I could focus on my art & things that matter.
I plan on visiting the Islands this summer, and see what's what!
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Sun, February 15, 2004 - 4:36 PMHi Crystal,
Thanks for your considerate reply to all of the tribe's great, helpful members, who took the time to help you with information!
It is a contradiction, as most of us islanders, who were fortunate enough to be granted entry to "Paradise", tend to refrain from encouraging the citizens of the world to join/share our bliss! (except when they come for a short visit and go home to save for their next trip!)
As much as I also love Tristan's Pender Island, along with Saturna and Mayne Islands, I choose Salt Spring Island for it's many conveniences, services, accessibility and for the only hospital on the Gulf Islands, which, when one realizes one's mortality, becomes meaningful :)
I strongly believe that Saltspring has great entreprenurial opportunities for those who have marketable skills, self-discipline and perseverance.
There are people I have met, who make their living at our world famous "Saturday Market" (30 times PA), offering their art, crafts and locally grown produce.
When you say you are from Toronto, most islanders will forgive you for that admission:) as some here are also escapees from that area!
In fairness, I should also warn you that SSI is not a mecca for eligible men. Being considered to be one of the rare disappearing species, I am informed that the ratio of women to men is 5 to 1, yet SSI ladies are so busy with their causes, to have no time for men.
When you say that you have computer skills: what exactly does that mean?
With your artistic abilities: have you considered taking a course in web design or even computer programming, both of which, I suspect would be marketable skills here.
As with any eclectic artist/crafts community, there is a bit of a misnomer about Salt Spring Island.
I for one, do not grow pot, nor have ever "inhaled it" (see bio of Bill Clinton:) and nor have I ever been on welfare.
I too have read Walden Pond, and even "Small is Beautiful" by Schumiacher, but being a lowly, untalented "wannabe" artist, craftsperson, I became a creative innkeeper. (see: www.seabreezeinne.com and www.saltspringworkshops.com)
There are number of very good reasons as to why Salt Spring Island is called "Canada's Island Paradise".
By the way: Gulf Island tribe members are given a 5% discount when staying at SeaBreeze Inne.
(how is that for creativity?:)
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Sun, February 15, 2004 - 5:09 PMHey Alex,
Thanks for forgiving me for living in Toronto. Personally, I call it the "Toxic Dump" or "Snake-Pit" and other endearing terms! (Can you tell I hate it here?) I'm originally from a small town, and have never really adapted to the big city life.
My computer skills are being proficient at such applications as Microsoft Word, Excel and such. I'm no programmer! I don't even know how to upload a photo to this site! I know my way around an office, can deal with multitasking, and handling around five crises at once! I'm very diplomatic with people, and have learned how to deal with "difficult people".(Goes with the territory of working in a busy office downtown.) Problem is, I'm
tired and burnt-out. I want nothing more than living somewhere peaceful, and seeing the birds and whales go by. I don't blame the islanders for not encouraging people to come-soon it wouldn't be paradise anymore!
You made me laugh when you mentioned the man-shortage! I'm not exactly desperately seeking male company, I've had my share, and am quite comfortable with my own company, thanks!
When I come visit, probably this summer, I was already looking at the SeaBreeze Inne as a possibility.I'll let you know, (you are the owner I take it.)
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Tue, July 12, 2005 - 3:55 PMWe just bought a lot on Quadra Is which is part of the Discovery Islands (12 min ferry from Campbell River)
Even though it is north and just starting to take off with the Yuppies, in a few years there will be a scarcity of good building sites which is driving up the prices.
That area is the whale watching and salmon fishing capitol! Many artists on the Is.
Lots of Tourism in the summer.
It is like stepping back in time 50 years..no one locks their doors, kids ride on bikes all over the place, the high school and jr high have to take the ferry to school in Cambell River! Really neat little grocery stores, a really active community center. 1800 residents, 2 RCMP, 2 physicians and a dentist. Hospital is in cambell River but the ferry waits on the Is. side at night for emergencies and is connected to the ambulance service.
We dream right now of the day when it possible to build and move there. Have to see what the next 5 years brings....we plan to retire somewhere in BC then...also get out of the ratrace!
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Bowen Island
Mon, May 30, 2005 - 11:56 AMWell, i live on Bowen Island. If you live here, you are either an artist (we have every form of artist there is - including a few quite famous ones). Or you have a home/computer business. Or you do what most Boweners do. You work in Vancouver and commute.
This is a very small island, but being so close to Horseshoe Bay, West Vancouver (a 15-20 minute ferry ride), and there being only a handful of jobs here, it's what one has to do to survive. If you are an artist, there is an artist's Co-op here (one that i hope to join one day once i get off my rump and start making art).
But i must say it is VERY expensive to live here. Being so close to Vancouver, even though it is an artist's haven, it is getting less hippy/artist and more yuppie. Big money is coming here, building huge mansions, and it is driving up the cost of living incredibly. If i hadn't gotten my foot in the door 5 years ago by buying an ancient little cottage, there would be no way i would be able to do the same thing today. *sigh*
So yeah. If you don’t have mega-bucks, then maybe one of the other, less accessible islands is the route for you. And if you are an artist . . . i have watched quite a few artists sell their work successfully - actually support their families supposedly - on eBay (although this may be atypical). That’s something you can do from ANYwhere – as long as you have internet. (Btw - there is a tribe that may help you there: *+*Artist on Ebay).
I wish you the best of luck! I L-O-V-E island life. I love the moat. I love the small community and quaint atmosphere. It’s like living in another world when you have to take an ocean voyage to go home after a day of shopping in the big bad city. :)
Wow - i just noticed the date that you posted this - over a year ago. Have you attained your dream yet? -
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missing an industry!!!!
Mon, April 24, 2006 - 5:15 AMI am amazed that i'm the first person to mention the building boom on ssi. What, did it stop since we moved away a year ago? certainly not .
I grew up on the island and made the best bucks painting houses (except for closing night, waitressing at the vesuvius). along with building houses comes fasioning gardens---much opportunity in landscaping.
Crystal---if you've got energy you can make $14/hr picking up bits of wood from jobsites. depending on the contractor of course. given the man shortage, it's an easier place than most for a woman to get into trades.
Ways to get trade work on ssi:
go to town before 7:00 in work clothes, buy a coffe or tea from barbs, roco, wherever you see the work trucks and the guys in work clothes. talk to people and make it clear that you need to work---today. if it doesn't work one day, be consistent. be at the same place at the same time. talk to people. people there like to talk.
Get familiar with staff at hardware stores. home hardware- if kate or kat work there still, they are very nice girls. Paint plus in upper ganges, I Used to work there. Hell, I think he needs a paint mixer/office wench. a little chauvee in a british way but goodpeople. slegg lumber and windsor plywood. let all those folks know you're looking for work, no resumes, just consistency and enthusiasm. If that doesn't work and you're shy to talk to strangers take the little phone book and start dialing through the sections you're interested in. All these methods have gotten me work and i appear to be a 90lb weakling girl.
If you or anyone else want to get into trades drop me a line and i'll dish about who the good (and bad) contractors are.
from the months between march and october it's easy as pie to get work on saltspring, anyone who says different is lazy (including my own husband at times lol). it's just winter when trades and tourism drops and there's nothin.
one more peice of advise to anyone going for a trade job on ssi (or anywhere in bc for that matter but specificly my home town, i DONT want to see the rates drop, those are sad days when things slow down and people fight over $10/hr) demand $12.50. if you can't get it , someone else will give it to you. that place is full of money and the little guy should not be ripped off.
Also anyone who markets themselves as a painting contractor----wether you're a hack or not-----the real rate their (should be) over $30/hr.
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Old Home
Fri, June 9, 2006 - 6:26 PMHey Crystal,
I grew up on Salt Spring Island. It's a beautiful place that changing fast.
It can be expensive to live but there are some really nice places for not cheap
but affordable prices.
If you get there in the summer work shouldn't be a problem. I worked at Barb's Buns all year round after getting a job there in the summer. If people like you and are able to they'll usually keep you on for the Winter, though this may mean cutting down your hours somewhat.
Another bit of work I did on SSI was housecleaning. If you have a vehicle you can make up to $25 an hour cleaning people's houses. This can also lead to various other work like gardening, landscaping, painting etc....
I dont' know if you're still planning on moving over but if you do I wish you all the best of luck. Galiano is also really nice. Much more quiet and remote, so depending on what it is you're after it may or may not be what you're looking for.
Good luck on your island move!
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my latest news
Sun, September 10, 2006 - 11:55 PMWHEN I WROTE I lived with utter joy on Pender Island,
it was February 2004.
Now it is September 2006.
Because I did something stupid,
I lost popularity amongst some neighbours,
and one of them decided to get me and Kelsey to leave.
The man notified the local bylaw office,
to get us evicted a.s.a.p.
Since I rented a suite within my landlord's
house, the grounds were easily manifest.
It is very common to have tennants,
but formally it is not allowed.
One dwelling, means one family.
( This counts for anywhere in BC, I believe )
A lot of misery followed.
We have far from coped with all the consequences.
Anyway, I am back in Vancouver now,
and Kelsey actually got thrown out of the country.
I cannot directly blame that neighbour for
this latter portion of bad luck.
But it is true, that, as one thing led to another,
a lot of uncontroled chaos emerged.
And if it had not, Kelsey would still be here.
I am writing this to warn others for the sometimes
unfortunate sides of living with a small amount
of people on an island. It's a territory thing.
Secondly, I want to announce I (...we) eagerly would
like to move back to one of the Gulf Islands.
Though maybe not Pender Island,
as I am still bitter about everything that happened there.
So, thank you for reading my little story, and
please contact me if you have something for rent.
Tristan
voicemail: 1-800-315-6814
PS.
And, Crystal, have you moved to one of these oases yet ?
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Re: my latest news
Mon, October 2, 2006 - 5:30 AMshitty deal, i got my name smeared by a dumb landlord on ssi who was illegally renting to us. i didn't leave her a blank cheque or clean the hot tub when i moved out and across the country. what did you do?? i guess you didn't say for a reason but your sad little story got me very curious.
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Re: Living on a Gulf Island?
Tue, January 23, 2007 - 2:28 PMHello! There is potential on Gabriola for work, our economy does seem to be growing fast. Also we are not far from Nanaimo, so many people commute. Clearly though, you'd rather work on the island you live I'm sure. If you want in, I suggest you do it fast though, as the housing market is going through the roof. If I can help you in any way, drop me a line!
~Bobbie